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DATE
Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 10:30 a.m. ET
CALL PARTICIPANTS
President and Chief Govt Officer — Celeste Mastin
Govt Vice President and Chief Monetary Officer — John Corkrean
Vice President, Investor Relations — Steven Brazones
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TAKEAWAYS
Natural Income Development: Natural income elevated 0.4% in Q2 FY2025, adjusted for forex and portfolio adjustments, pricing rose 0.7% yr on yr whereas quantity declined 0.3% yr on yr.
Reported Income: Income decreased 2.1% yr on yr; Adjusting for the flooring divestiture, internet income rose 2.8% yr on yr.
Adjusted Gross Revenue Margin: Adjusted gross revenue margin improved by 110 foundation factors yr on yr to 32.2%, primarily as a consequence of price financial savings, focused pricing, and portfolio actions.
Adjusted EBITDA: Adjusted EBITDA reached $166 million within the second quarter, up 5% yr on yr, and the adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 130 foundation factors yr on yr to 18.4%.
Adjusted EPS: Adjusted EPS elevated 5% to $1.18 within the second quarter versus the prior yr, attributed to increased internet revenue and decreased share rely.
Working Money Circulate: Working money stream rose $29 million, or 36% yr on yr, to $111 million in Q2 FY2025, supported by improved working capital administration.
Web Debt to Adjusted EBITDA: Web debt to adjusted EBITDA decreased sequentially from 3.5x to three.4x on the finish of the second quarter, reflecting EBITDA progress and decrease internet debt.
Share Repurchases: 300,000 shares had been repurchased in Q2 FY2025, bringing the year-to-date complete to roughly 1 million shares.
2025 Income Outlook: Web income is predicted to say no 2%-3% yr on yr in FY2025; natural income is forecasted to be flat to up 2% in FY2025; overseas change is predicted to adversely influence income by 1%-1.5% in FY2025.
2025 Adjusted EBITDA Steering: Adjusted EBITDA steering was raised to $615 million-$630 million, representing 4%-6% progress yr on yr in FY2025.
2025 Adjusted EPS Steering: Full-year adjusted non-GAAP EPS for FY2025 is now projected at $4.10-$4.30, a 7%-12% enhance yr on yr.
Hygiene, Well being and Consumable Adhesives (HHC): Natural income elevated 1.8% yr on yr within the second quarter; EBITDA margin (non-GAAP) was 15.6% in Q2 FY2025, up almost 300 foundation factors sequentially however down yr on yr as a consequence of increased uncooked materials prices (adjusted non-GAAP).
Engineering Adhesives (EA): Engineering Adhesives income decreased 0.4% in Q2 FY2025. Excluding photo voltaic, natural progress was constructive. EBITDA (non-GAAP) elevated 24% yr on yr within the Engineering Adhesives section, with margin up 310 foundation factors yr on yr to 22.9% within the second quarter.
Constructing Adhesive Options (BAS): Gross sales declined 0.9% yr on yr within the second quarter; Adjusted EBITDA (non-GAAP) grew 5% yr on yr with adjusted EBITDA margin rising 60 foundation factors yr on yr to 16.7% within the second quarter.
Geographic Efficiency: Americas natural income elevated 2% in Q2 FY2025; EIMEA natural income declined 2% yr on yr in Q2 FY2025; Asia Pacific barely up, with notable weak spot in China electronics exports late within the quarter.
Third-Quarter 2025 EBITDA Steering: Adjusted EBITDA for Q3 FY2025 is predicted to be within the $165 million-$175 million vary.
Full-12 months Working Money Circulate Steering: Full-year working money stream steering stays $300 million-$325 million for FY2025.
Capital Expenditures: Anticipated $150 million for 2025; progress slower than deliberate yr thus far, with massive initiatives weighted to the again half.
Portfolio Transformation: Margin growth attributed to strategic higher-margin acquisitions and the divestiture of the lower-margin flooring enterprise.
Tariff Publicity: 90%-97% of merchandise are sourced and offered in the identical area, limiting direct tariff influence.
SUMMARY
H.B. Fuller Firm (FUL 10.32%) reported adjusted non-GAAP EBITDA and margin growth in Q2 FY2025, supported by pricing, price controls, and portfolio upgrades, regardless of modest quantity contraction and subdued world demand. Administration raised full-year adjusted (non-GAAP) EBITDA and EPS steering for FY2025, underscoring confidence in sustained margin enchancment, whereas internet income steering displays ongoing top-line headwinds primarily from antagonistic forex and divestitures. Management confirmed uncooked materials prices are sequentially declining and expects better price advantages and margin uplift within the second half of FY2025. CapEx for FY2025 is predicted to be $150 million, with massive investments concentrated in later quarters and a notable step down in SAP challenge spending projected for 2026 and past. The corporate maintained a disciplined capital allocation strategy, decreasing internet leverage and returning capital by way of ongoing share repurchases.
Celeste Mastin acknowledged, “We proceed to make sustained progress towards our 20% plus EBITDA margin goal and are assured we are going to meaningfully increase margins yr on yr once more in 2025.”
Administration emphasised resilient demand in automotive, medical, and versatile packaging, whereas building and photo voltaic classes remained tender and will constrain volumes within the second half.
As an alternative, money returns had been executed by way of share repurchases totaling roughly 1 million shares yr thus far.
Management highlighted flexibility to mitigate tariff dangers, “we make and supply there.” minimizing world commerce disruptions’ direct monetary impact.
CapEx self-discipline and footprint consolidation are anticipated to scale back upkeep capital necessities as the corporate strikes from 80 to 55 manufacturing services by 2026.
INDUSTRY GLOSSARY
EBITDA Margin: Ratio of EBITDA to income, expressing core profitability earlier than curiosity, taxes, depreciation, and amortization as a share of gross sales.
HHC: Hygiene, Well being and Consumable Adhesives section, producing specialty industrial adhesives for client, hygiene, and packaging markets.
EA: Engineering Adhesives section, supplying high-performance adhesives for industrial, transportation, electronics, and medical purposes.
BAS: Constructing Adhesive Options section, targeted on adhesives and sealants for building and industrial markets.
SAP Venture: Enterprise useful resource planning (ERP) software program system implementation; a multi-year know-how funding to optimize operational processes.
Full Convention Name Transcript
Krista: Women and gents, thanks for standing by. My identify is Krista, and I shall be your convention operator immediately. At the moment, I wish to welcome everybody to the H.B. Fuller Second Quarter 2025 Investor Convention Name. All strains have been positioned on mute to stop any background noise. After the audio system’ remarks, there shall be a query and reply session. Thanks. And I’d now like to show the convention over to Steven Brazones, Vice President of Investor Relations. Chances are you’ll start.
Steven Brazones: Thanks, operator. Welcome to H.B. Fuller’s Second Quarter 2025 Investor Convention Name. Presenting immediately are Celeste Mastin, President and Chief Govt Officer, and John Corkrean, Govt Vice President and Chief Monetary Officer. After our ready remarks, we can have a query and reply session. Earlier than we start, let me remind everybody that our feedback immediately will embody references to sure non-GAAP monetary measures. These measures are supplemental to the outcomes decided in accordance with GAAP. We consider that these measures are helpful to buyers in understanding our working efficiency and to match our efficiency with different corporations. Reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP measure are included in our earnings launch.
Except in any other case famous, feedback about income check with natural income and feedback about EPS, EBITDA, and revenue margins check with adjusted non-GAAP. We may also be making forward-looking statements throughout this name. These statements are primarily based on present expectations and assumptions which are topic to threat and uncertainties. Precise outcomes may differ materially from these expectations as a consequence of components lined in our earnings launch, feedback made throughout this name, and the danger components detailed in our filings with the Securities and Change Fee, all of which can be found on our web site at buyers.hpfuller.com. I’d now like to show the decision over to Celeste Mastin. Celeste?
Celeste Mastin: Thanks, Steven. And welcome, everybody. Our robust monetary efficiency within the quarter is a testomony to our crew’s disciplined execution in a extremely dynamic setting, and we’re performing higher than the underlying markets. We stay nimble and targeted on delivering constructive natural income progress whereas managing prices in a deliberate method and leveraging our world sourcing infrastructure to adeptly reply to geopolitical and market uncertainties. Our EBITDA margin growth highlights the success of the actions we’re taking, which embody an elevated concentrate on pricing, price financial savings efforts, and our energetic portfolio shift in the direction of increased progress, increased margin markets.
World financial exercise stays subdued, however we proceed to carry out nicely and are elevating our full-year outlook to mirror our robust execution. Taking a look at our consolidated leads to the second quarter, our natural gross sales development remained constructive, pushed by natural pricing progress of 0.7% in the course of the quarter, partially offset by barely unfavorable quantity. From a profitability perspective, we executed nicely and delivered robust outcomes pushed partly by price financial savings and focused worth actions. Our ongoing portfolio transformation, together with the strategic addition of upper margin companies and divestiture of the decrease margin flooring enterprise, drove many of the year-on-year margin enhance within the quarter.
We grew EBITDA 5% yr on yr to $166 million and expanded EBITDA margin by 130 foundation factors yr on yr to 18.4%. Now let me transfer on to evaluation the efficiency in every of our segments within the second quarter. In HHC, natural income elevated 1.8% yr on yr, pushed by each constructive quantity and worth. Power in medical and versatile packaging was partially offset by weak spot in end-of-line packaging and beverage labeling. EBITDA margin of 15.6% was up almost 300 foundation factors versus the primary quarter, reflecting seasonally increased quantity and rising pricing momentum within the section.
EBITDA margin was down yr on yr within the second quarter because the favorable influence of natural progress and the contribution from the upper margin medical acquisitions had been offset by increased uncooked materials prices. In Engineering Adhesives, income decreased 0.4% within the second quarter. Widespread energy in transportation-related finish markets, notably in automotive, was offset by continued weak spot in photo voltaic. Excluding photo voltaic, EA natural progress was constructive within the second quarter. EBITDA elevated 24% in EA, and EBITDA margin elevated 310 foundation factors yr on yr to 22.9%. Favorable internet pricing and uncooked materials actions, price financial savings, and the contribution from acquisitions drove the rise in EBITDA margin.
In Constructing Adhesive Options, gross sales decreased 0.9% yr on yr as continued energy in roofing was offset by weak spot in glass and wooden, that are extra carefully tied to the residential building market setting. EBITDA for Constructing Adhesive Options elevated 5% versus the second quarter of final yr, and EBITDA margin expanded 60 foundation factors to 16.7%. Favorable internet pricing and uncooked materials actions and value financial savings drove the advance in EBITDA margin yr on yr.
John Corkrean: Geographically, Americas natural income was up 2% yr on yr within the second quarter, returning to constructive natural progress. Power in roofing, versatile packaging, and medical principally drove the gross sales progress within the area. In EIMEA, year-over-year natural income was down 2%. Sturdy efficiency in our hygiene enterprise was offset by weak demand in our construction-related finish markets. In Asia Pacific, natural income was up barely yr on yr as robust efficiency in transportation-related markets was offset by slower leads to photo voltaic and electronics. Wanting forward, we anticipate a continued difficult working setting characterised by a excessive degree of uncertainty and constrained demand. Additionally, whereas the greenback has not too long ago weakened, we anticipate currencies to stay unpredictable.
As beforehand mentioned, our technique to provide in the identical area the place we promote to clients not solely leads to optimum customer support but additionally reduces our publicity to tariffs. To the extent we have now direct tariff publicity, we are going to proceed to offset these impacts by way of sourcing mitigation and focused pricing actions. Within the occasion of share shifts between clients, the diversification of our buyer base and our geographic footprint places us in an advantaged place. Whereas the worldwide financial influence of the uncertainty related to the dynamic tariff state of affairs is but to be totally understood, our assumption is that volumes shall be constrained for the rest of the yr.
Because of this, our steering displays barely weaker quantity within the again half of the yr. Nonetheless, our pricing actions and uncooked materials buying leverage will end in continued margin growth, and revenue progress will speed up within the second half. Now let me flip the decision over to John Corkrean to evaluation our second quarter leads to extra element and our up to date outlook for 2025.
John Corkrean: Thanks, Celeste. I am going to start with some further monetary particulars on the second quarter. For the quarter, income was down 2.1% versus the identical interval final yr. Adjusting for the flooring divestiture, internet income was up 2.8% yr on yr. Forex had a unfavorable influence of 1.2%, and the online influence of acquisitions and divestitures decreased income by 1.3%. Adjusting for these objects, natural income was up 0.4%, with pricing up 0.7% and quantity down 0.3% yr on yr. Adjusted gross revenue margin was 32.2%, up 110 foundation factors versus final yr, pushed by price financial savings, the influence of acquisitions and divestitures, and focused pricing actions. Adjusted promoting, basic, and administrative expense was up 2% yr on yr.
Adjusting for the online influence of acquisitions and divestitures, adjusted SG&A was flat yr on yr, reflecting robust expense administration. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter of $166 million was up 5% yr on yr, pushed principally by focused pricing actions, price financial savings efforts, and the online profit from acquisitions and divestitures. Adjusted earnings per share of $1.18 was up 5% versus the second quarter of 2024 as a consequence of increased internet revenue and decrease shares excellent. Second quarter working money stream of $111 million elevated $29 million or 36% yr on yr. Money stream from operations was additionally up versus the primary quarter, reflecting increased internet revenue and a slight enchancment in working capital.
Web debt to adjusted EBITDA decreased sequentially from 3.5 occasions to three.4x on the finish of the second quarter, reflecting progress in EBITDA in addition to decrease debt balances on account of improved money stream. We anticipate to proceed to additional cut back our leverage ratio within the second half. Through the second quarter, we repurchased 300,000 shares, bringing the year-to-date complete to roughly 1 million shares. With that, let me now flip to our up to date steering for the 2025 fiscal yr. Because of our robust monetary efficiency and the assumptions that Celeste laid out earlier, we’re updating our beforehand communicated steering for fiscal 2025 as follows.
Web income is now anticipated to be down 2% to three% yr on yr. We nonetheless anticipate natural income to be flat to up 2% yr on yr, and we now anticipate overseas change to adversely influence income by between 1-1.5% yr on yr. Adjusted EBITDA is now anticipated to be within the vary of $615 million to $630 million, equating to progress of 4% to six% yr on yr. We now anticipate totally diluted shares excellent for fiscal 2025 to be within the vary of 55 million to 56 million shares. Mixed, these assumptions now end in full-year adjusted EPS within the vary of $4.10 to $4.30, equating to year-on-year progress of between 7-12%.
We proceed to anticipate full-year working money stream to be between $300 million and $325 million. Lastly, we might anticipate third-quarter EBITDA within the vary of $165 million to $175 million. Let me flip the decision again over to Celeste.
Celeste Mastin: Thanks, John. At H.B. Fuller, innovation is not nearly new merchandise. It is about fixing real-world challenges alongside our clients. We’re privileged to work with a various and progressive group of consumers, and immediately I’m excited to focus on the winners of our second annual H.B. Fuller Buyer Innovation Awards, which honor groundbreaking improvements that leverage adhesive applied sciences to enhance the world round us. CMC Packaging Automation was acknowledged for its revolutionary automated packaging know-how, which creates right-sized packages on demand, considerably decreasing waste and inefficiencies pushed by the rise of e-commerce. Chengdu Xinyu was acknowledged for developments in automotive lighting that improved visibility and highway security by way of higher warmth administration, guaranteeing long-lasting and environment friendly lighting programs.
MITRE Manufacturers acquired an award for making a triple-paned glass insulating unit in collaboration with Corning Included that enhances thermal effectivity and reduces power consumption whereas utilizing the identical body dimensions as dual-pane programs. Georgia Pacific was honored for its progressive use of water-based barrier coatings for protein-based packaging, which provide a sustainable different to conventional wax-based coatings. Congratulations once more to those progressive corporations. We’re proud to rejoice your achievements and stay up for persevering with our journey of innovation collectively. At H.B. Fuller, sustainability is greater than a dedication; it is a catalyst for innovation, operational excellence, and constructive influence.
We’re proud to share the progress we’re making towards a extra sustainable future and encourage you to be taught extra by testing our newly launched sustainability report, which launched on our web site earlier this week. We’re additionally thrilled to announce that Newsweek not too long ago named H.B. Fuller as one of many world’s greenest corporations in 2025. We admire this honor, which acknowledges superior environmental sustainability efficiency. Lastly, I wish to announce that Steven Brazones, our Vice President of Investor Relations, has introduced his intention to retire from H.B. Fuller this summer season. Steven has devoted his deep finance background, breadth of expertise, and robust popularity to enhancing and enhancing H.B. Fuller’s Investor Relations strategy.
We are going to miss Steven’s power, professionalism, and humorousness, however he departs figuring out that his work has helped make H.B. Fuller’s IR program a lot stronger. To wrap up, we’re happy with our robust first-half efficiency and the momentum we feature into the second half of the yr. This can be a reflection of the operational enhancements we have made and proceed to make all through our enterprise. Regardless of ongoing financial uncertainties, as we stay up for the second half of the yr, we’re optimistic and inspired by our crew’s robust execution. We proceed to make sustained progress towards our 20% plus EBITDA margin goal and are assured that we are going to meaningfully increase margins yr on yr once more in 2025.
As a reminder, we stay up for seeing you at our Investor Day on October 20, the place we are going to present an replace on our strategic plan, our profitable M&A method, transformational footprint optimization, and roadmap to our better than 20% EBITDA margin aim. That concludes our ready remarks for immediately. Operator, please open the road for questions.
Krista: Thanks. We are going to now start the query and reply session. Your first query comes from the road of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please go forward.
Ghansham Panjabi: Sure, good morning. Thanks, operator. Good morning, everyone.
Celeste Mastin: Good morning, Ghansham.
Ghansham Panjabi: I assume, first off, you understand, large congrats to Steven on his retirement. Clearly, he’ll be missed by our crew. And congrats to Scott as nicely. Sit up for working with you. I assume, Celeste, going again to the second quarter and the margin efficiency in EA, which appeared to be the outlier on the plus aspect, very robust margin efficiency. Are you able to simply give us a bit extra colour on that in context of a few of the finish markets being combined and in addition photo voltaic being down as you famous in your ready feedback?
Celeste Mastin: Completely. For those who have a look at EA’s efficiency within the second quarter, the actually excellent contribution there that was made was twofold. One was the ND Industries acquisition carried out higher than we anticipated. So we prefer to see that outperformance to the deal mannequin. And secondly, that crew, along with others throughout H.B. Fuller, however specifically EA, actually confirmed very robust price management. That led to the elevated growth in margins. Now, in fact, we’re seeing energy throughout that enterprise in numerous their finish markets.
For those who have a look at the automotive enterprise, truly something transportation, notably in Asia Pacific, our crew there has simply carried out a improbable job increasing our enterprise from what has traditionally been extra targeted on inside trim to exterior trim purposes, to the powertrain, to varied different sealant purposes and thermal administration in not simply batteries, however braking programs. And so they’ve carried out a superb job rising share.
Ghansham Panjabi: After which for my follow-up, as you concentrate on quantity velocity throughout your totally different enterprise models, how did fiscal 2Q examine to the last few quarters? After which simply associated to that when it comes to photo voltaic, what’s the cheap timeline for Chinese language photo voltaic to inflect positively yr over yr? In context of simpler comps developing?
Celeste Mastin: Sure. So we’ll begin to see much less of an influence from the photo voltaic house towards the top of this yr. And once I say that, I am referring to the highest line. The crew has already taken steps to reposition that enterprise and to mitigate the EBITDA margin influence of that individual enterprise on their outcomes. So when you have a look at the influence of the photo voltaic house Q2 of final yr on margins in EA, it was about 120 foundation factors. This quarter they decreased that to a unfavorable 80 foundation level enchancment or a unfavorable 80 foundation factors. So that they’ve improved margins and so they proceed to work on doing that by shifting the enterprise into extra differentiated purposes and areas.
So far as quantity velocity, throughout the enterprise, are you asking about throughout EA specifically? Ghansham, or throughout all the top makes use of? Finish purposes?
Ghansham Panjabi: Yeah. Sorry to make clear, throughout the portfolio is the final the entire firm. Throughout the portfolio?
John Corkrean: Yeah. So John, do you need to soar in on this one? Positive. So when you have a look at complete firm degree, the amount developments are fairly related. We had been up about 2% on natural quantity in Q1. It was flat in Q2. I’d say we noticed some constructive momentum in locations like automotive, which truly was very robust in Q1, however had a barely stronger Q2. Versatile packaging truly most likely noticed just a little little bit of acceleration and medical. I’d say these are the locations seeing just a little little bit of slowing as we highlighted in a few of the construction-related markets, notably people who have an even bigger publicity to residential.
However total, one of many issues we do is we measure what number of of our finish markets are displaying acceleration, what number of are displaying deceleration. About half had been displaying acceleration, half displaying some degree of deceleration. So it is just a little bit softer quantity in Q2. I feel it is predominantly associated to a few of the residential building softness. Many of the remainder of the portfolio was fairly related when it comes to quantity from Q1 to Q2.
Celeste Mastin: Sure. The one different space I’d add there, Ghansham, is that in China, we additionally noticed a brief, I am going to name it a brief, what I feel is a brief pause in export markets in China in Q2. Our electronics enterprise, for instance, is one which has carried out nicely and has continued to take share. We actually noticed that cool off given the underlying marketplace for electronics exports in China in Q2. However we really feel very strongly about that enterprise and its potential to beat that within the second half of the yr. As a result of they’ve taken share and so they have grow to be elements of latest merchandise being developed and launched within the second half that we’ll see quantity from. Upcoming.
Ghansham Panjabi: Unbelievable. Thanks each.
Krista: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Patrick Cunningham with Citi. Please go forward.
Patrick Cunningham: Good morning, Patrick.
Celeste Mastin: Hello, good morning. I might prefer to echo congratulations to Steven. It has been a pleasure working with him and searching ahead to persevering with the partnership with Scott. However I assume, to start with, I imply, possibly simply digging into that weak spot in electronics a bit extra, it appears to be a deviation from prior quarters, and I feel you hinted at some export weak spot and commerce uncertainty. However I imply, are you seeing when it comes to simply underlying market? What provides you confidence that that is kind of normalizes again to your kind of constant progress fee there as a result of it simply seems shocking simply when it comes to that is been one of many strongest classes.
However you clearly nonetheless had fairly a powerful quarter inside Engineering Adhesives. So simply any further commentary could be useful.
Celeste Mastin: Sure. We had an excellent quarter in Electronics in The U.S. Took some thrilling new enterprise there. We had wins in aerospace and protection, specifically in radar meeting, in strain sensors, in tires, in fighter jet fiber optic communications, all actually good progress in our U.S. Electronics market. And we have taken good positions in rising finish markets like electronics for medical gadgets, for instance, glucose monitoring programs, in addition to automotive electronics, as a result of there’s much more electronics in an car immediately. So these are good examples of ways in which we have expanded our electronics enterprise into faster-growing electronics purposes and in addition taking share in these new purposes.
And as I highlighted, sure, we noticed a pause in electronics in Asia Pacific this quarter, which is uncommon. Nonetheless, what we see is that the underlying export marketplace for electronics was weaker in Q2 popping out of China. However once more, we have taken some new enterprise with a few of the new designs being launched within the second half with multinationals, there specifically that we’ll see the profit from upcoming within the the rest of the yr. So I really feel that we’re in a very good place within the electronics enterprise. It was simply notable that it was slower this quarter than it has been in earlier quarters.
And we’re very happy that our EA enterprise was in a position to ship on so many different segments and overcome that problem.
Patrick Cunningham: Very useful. After which how ought to we take into consideration the development of worth price and margin profile particularly for HH given what seems to be you are getting robust worth there, you have received some excessive margin acquisitions beginning to have an effect. I assume, if the underlying quantity setting stays comparatively secure, ought to we begin to see extra important yr on yr margin growth inside that section?
Celeste Mastin: Sure. In reality, Patrick, the you understand, what I highlighted over the last name and we included within the script is simply recall this reference to $55 million name it, unfold profit in 2025 that you will note. In order that’s advantages from uncooked materials price reductions and from pricing. So immediately by way of Q2, uncooked materials price was increased than it was the earlier yr. However the advantages that we have highlighted you are going to see actually again finish loaded right here within the the rest of this yr. Plenty of that may occur within the HHC enterprise. And the HHC enterprise is performing very nicely. We have seen this medical adhesive enterprise rising efficiently there. That is contributing to a stronger margin profile.
Additionally in versatile packaging, we have taken a major quantity of share principally with our potential to develop and allow our clients an answer that solves world regulatory compliance challenges and that actually simplifies their product profile given the availability chain challenges which are taking place at this cut-off date. However much more attention-grabbing to me is the HHC’s crew’s potential to actually tackle a few of these what you’ll suppose could be slower rising legacy markets. Tissue towel is a good instance.
We’ll name it the premiumization of bathroom paper and paper towels is going on as a number of plies are getting used that will increase the quantity of adhesive required and truly oftentimes even requires a better performing extra differentiated adhesive to satisfy the problem. So there’s lots occurring in that house and the crew is executing nicely. Rising margins and bringing new product ranges and new product strains out to resolve new issues within the house.
Patrick Cunningham: Very useful. Thanks.
Krista: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Kevin W. McCarthy with Vertical Analysis Companions. Please go forward.
Kevin McCarthy: Good morning, Kevin. Thanks very a lot. Good morning, Celeste. And Steven. I am going to add my congratulations in your retirement. You’ll positively be missed. And Scott, stay up for speaking with you much more regularly. I wished to ask Celeste about your view of the quarterly cadence of EPS that is embedded in your new vary of $4.10 to $4.30. If I look again at historical past, it appears that evidently it is typically the case your November quarter is stronger than the fiscal third quarter, however that was not the case final yr. So possibly you’ll be able to type of discuss by way of the way you’re enthusiastic about the stream by way of given the comparisons that you simply had final yr?
John Corkrean: Sure, Kevin, it is John. I am going to attempt to subject this one. So I feel this yr will look extra like type of a traditional H.B. Fuller yr when it comes to the cadence of the quarter. So that you’re appropriate. Final yr, I’d say was an anomaly. We had numerous headwinds within the fourth quarter, which resulted in decrease EBITDA, decrease EPS. I feel we view this yr as being extra much like possibly when you went again two years to 2023. The place you may see a modest step up in EBITDA and EPS in Q3. We gave the steering on the place we predict that vary must be after which possible an extra step up.
In order that’s largely a mirrored image of quantity, being just a little bit increased in This autumn than Q3. However we additionally anticipate this pricing and uncooked materials momentum to indicate up just a little bit greater in This autumn than Q3.
Kevin McCarthy: I see. Very useful. After which John, I used to be questioning when you may remark or elaborate in your view of the capital expenditure trajectory. Variety sufficient to present us a reasonably full money stream assertion with the discharge. So I have a look at the primary half, I assume you spent possibly $65 million versus $90 million within the first half of final yr. In order that’s operating down fairly a bit. What are your ideas on the again half and the complete yr? After which I assume associated to that, my recollection is that if we look forward to ’26 and past, in some unspecified time in the future, possibly you might have a step down associated to your SAP challenge.
So maybe an replace on that side of it will be useful.
John Corkrean: Yeah. So, yeah, I’d say we’re just a little bit behind when it comes to capital spending yr thus far versus our price range. I’d anticipate we’ll shut that hole within the again half of the yr. We guided to $150 million of CapEx for the complete yr. I feel we’ll get there. I feel there’s just a little little bit of threat. There are some massive chunky initiatives that may occur within the again half of the yr. Wanting ahead, we talked about the truth that with this footprint consolidation, we’ll have about $50 million, $40 million I assume is the variety of incremental CapEx this yr, most likely the same quantity subsequent yr.
However you might be proper, we are going to begin to come to the top of our SAP deployment on the finish of subsequent yr. We most likely have about $20 million of capital related to that challenge on an annual foundation. So it doesn’t suggest there will not be any capital, however that may step down considerably. And we additionally anticipate as we go from roughly 80 manufacturing services right down to 55 that may cut back upkeep capital. So we do not actually have a brand new up to date assumption for to illustrate past 2026. However I’d say that we might hope to see that step down just a little bit as we go ahead.
Kevin McCarthy: Good. Thanks a lot.
John Corkrean: Thanks, Kevin.
Krista: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please go forward.
Jeff Zekauskas: Good morning, Jeff. Hello, good morning. Perhaps first some housekeeping query. Your acquisition challenge prices had been $3.6 million within the quarter, however I do not suppose that you simply purchased something. So why the $3.6 million in spending? And does that drop off within the second half? And what was your pension revenue within the quarter?
John Corkrean: So, sure, so the acquisition prices within the second quarter primarily associated to some lingering prices related to the flooring divestiture. So I’d anticipate that these will tail off within the second half of the yr. We do have some ongoing deal evaluation-related prices that may proceed by way of the yr. However I feel we should always see just a little little bit of step down. Pension revenue within the quarter was about $5.7 million, and that compares to about $4 million final yr in Q2.
Jeff Zekauskas: After which is it the case that your uncooked supplies are sequentially declining? And so far as demand goes, it is you cited some slowness in home house building. Is it truthful to say that outdoors of that, enterprise is fairly regular throughout the geographies?
Celeste Mastin: Sure. For those who’re referencing The U.S. specifically, Jeff, true, we’re seeing a decline in some volumes as a consequence of decrease residential exercise. Now solely lower than 6% of H.B. Fuller’s income comes from residential building. So we’re not going to see that is not going to trigger a really large swing. In The U.S. specifically, our building enterprise total remained good with roofing specifically robust this quarter. And sure, I imply, you have a look at pricing in all of our GBUs in The U.S, we carried out higher within the second quarter. EA and HHC each confirmed higher quantity progress. In The U.S. within the second quarter, albeit not nice quantity progress.
So it was fairly secure and demand is fairly constant there. You requested about uncooked supplies. Uncooked supplies do proceed to say no. As I discussed, they’re nonetheless up yr on yr. However we have taken some actions to reallocate uncooked supplies to totally different suppliers in Q1 that may have an effect on our total uncooked materials price all through the course of the second half.
Jeff Zekauskas: Okay, nice. Thanks a lot.
Celeste Mastin: You guess.
Krista: And as a reminder, if you want to ask a query, your subsequent query comes from the road of Mike Harrison with Seaport Analysis Companions. Please go forward.
Mike Harrison: Good morning, Mike. Hello. Good morning, Thanks for taking my query. I need to say my congrats to Scott and greatest needs to Steven in your retirement. It has been very nice working with you over time. Needed Celeste, I wished to see when you may discuss in any respect about total quantity developments as you regarded from type of March, April, Could after which into June to this point, and I am type of curious when precisely did the pause in China exports occur? Like, was there a particular month whenever you noticed that and have you ever seen restoration right here in June?
Celeste Mastin: Sure. So when you look all through month by month all through the second quarter, total what we skilled was actually simply barely unfavorable to flat quantity all through. There was not an enormous differentiation between from one month to the following. Now the one caveat I’d make there may be that in our BAS enterprise, we did see extra weakening in quantity efficiency in P6. So in Could, than within the earlier two months. And once more, as we glance out to the second half, our steering consists of an influence of a slower building market as a consequence. Because it pertains to China specifically, I am unable to level to a selected month. I haven’t got that degree of precision to actually try this.
However what I’d say is that later within the quarter, we skilled extra of this pause within the electronics market. I feel you may see that reach for a pair extra months earlier than the precise enchancment in volumes in electronics in Asia picks up due to the brand new designs that we have now that we have grow to be part of. So once more, momentary type of name it later second quarter and possibly will proceed a month or two extra.
Mike Harrison: All proper. That is very useful. After which I wished to dig in just a little bit on a few of your feedback on packaging inside the HHC enterprise. I used to be on a aircraft yesterday, and sitting close to me was consuming crackers out of what could be a versatile bundle that might suppose would have historically been a cardboard field. And so I am curious if a few of the end-of-line weak spot that you simply’re seeing and the energy in FlexPack is possibly some shift away from conventional cardboard packaging and progress in a FlexPack that may have, like, a resealable opening on it. Is that occuring? And is that, you understand, how is that benefiting what you are promoting?
Celeste Mastin: Sure. In order that’s a viable speculation, Mike. FlexPack specifically is rising in a few of the extra growing nations on the planet sooner like Latin America, India, elements of Asia. However nonetheless rising. Is it rising sooner than typical cardboard and aligned packaging? Sure, it’s. That mentioned, the robust outperformance that we have had within the FlexPack market has actually been extra a operate of share positive factors than the market progress. There’s not a number of differential in these European or U.S. markets over the past two or three years in versatile packaging progress charges.
So I consider it’s extra so the options we’re bringing to clients and the shifting that is taking place round rules, the rising calls for on clients as a consequence of provide chain disruption and our potential to offer easier options which have broader applicability that is actually driving our progress fee there.
Mike Harrison: When it comes to the adhesive that is utilized in a FlexPack, although, that may be a extra differentiated and I assume, extra certified higher-end adhesive than what you employ in a cardboard bundle. Is that appropriate?
Celeste Mastin: Yeah. It is positively a extra demanding software. That is completely appropriate.
Mike Harrison: All proper. Thanks very a lot.
Celeste Mastin: Thanks lots, Mike.
Krista: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Rosemarie Morbelli with Gabelli Funds. Please go forward.
Rosemarie Morbelli: Hello, good morning everybody.
Celeste Mastin: Hello. Good morning. Thanks, everybody, and better of luck to Steven on his subsequent chapter. You may be totally missed. And Scott, you’ll be very succesful, however you might have large footwear to fill. I stay up for speaking with you going ahead. Now most of my questions have been answered, however I used to be questioning, Celeste, regardless that you talked concerning the issue of estimating the influence from tariffs. If we assume, which in fact is anyone’s guess, that the extent goes to be no matter has been introduced thus far, what could be the influence in your the direct and oblique influence and which classes could be extra affected than others?
Celeste Mastin: Sure. Recall, Rosemarie, that on common, 90-97% of what we promote in a area we make and supply there. In America, that is 99%. And in China, that is 96%. So from a direct tariff influence, there is a restricted impact that we by default will really feel. Now there are actions that the crew has taken. I do not need to reduce this as a result of they’re doing nice work all through April assembly twice a day to make sure that as they perceive the tariff implication, at current that they are in a position to offset the direct influence of that by way of both sourcing options, possibly reallocating product to a distinct provider or renegotiating with the present provider. Or placing by way of focused pricing actions to offset.
So from a direct influence, we can’t see an influence due to the work that is being carried out by devoted individuals throughout H.B. Fuller. From an oblique perspective, we addressed within the script this idea of share shifting. I feel we’ll see that. We’ll see some enterprise shifting between clients in any given area, we’re nicely positioned to handle that as nicely. As you understand, we have now a worldwide footprint. So if product wants are shifting from one area to a different, the chances are we’ll be working with a buyer in a distinct area that picks up the enterprise.
Or if there is a shift inside a area once more it is extremely possible given the hundreds and hundreds of consumers that we work with that we can decide up the enterprise from one other angle by way of one other buyer. The most important query I feel Rosemarie and it is what all of us have as companies is what would be the final quantity influence of tariffs globally as soon as there may be some certainty round a tariff program. And that is arduous to know. So the way in which we have a look at that’s we should be ready for doubtlessly decrease volumes given doubtlessly extra constrained economies.
And also you noticed the influence on this quarter of the associated fee discount efforts we have taken prematurely of that to attempt to get forward of it. And once more, the work that we have now began already to drive price discount efforts all through our uncooked materials base may also be extra evident and one thing we’ll use to mitigate decrease volumes within the second half ought to they arrive to move.
Rosemarie Morbelli: Thanks. That may be very useful. You talked about one thing in your ready remarks, Celeste, relating to your work with totally different classes I had not targeted on, which might be the protection space. You talked about adhesives for radars and so forth. May you give us a greater really feel for the way large that enterprise is? And clearly, we’re in a world the place there may be going to be the necessity for extra protection. So what may we see out of your finish?
Celeste Mastin: Effectively, you understand, Rosemarie, that this enterprise of ours is so diversified that there is no single market section area mixture that represents greater than 5% of gross sales. And so aerospace is one other good instance of a differentiated fast-growing high-margin house inside our total community. It’s rising shortly and we anticipate that’ll nonetheless proceed to be the case. Will it have an outsized materials influence in the end on H.B. Fuller? Perhaps in a decade. However, you understand, within the close to time period, that progress is whereas quick, nonetheless on a smaller base.
Rosemarie Morbelli: Thanks very a lot.
Krista: And that concludes our query and reply session. And I’ll now flip the convention again over to Celeste Mastin for closing feedback.
Celeste Mastin: Thanks, everybody, for becoming a member of this morning. We stay up for talking with you once more subsequent quarter.
Krista: And girls and gents, this does conclude immediately’s convention name. Thanks to your participation, and you might now disconnect.
